A discussion on FB, the Other side is a Jew for J.
What about J, isn’t he able to save?(paraphrased)
The Other side is removed because I will not expose them to ridicule.
I am sad. More than 3500 years ago, THE ALMIGHTY through the writings of Moses, warned us regarding our actions and choices(Leviticus 26 and Deuteronomy 28, 29, 30,31 and 32) after Moses, then via HIS Prophets until Malachi; along with the consequences our deeds earn.
From Egypt until today, we have gotten consequences( but not all that we deserve, because HE Saves a remnant to start again.
“Deuteronomy 32:
26 I thought I would make an end of them, I would make their memory cease from among men;
27 Were it not that I dreaded the enemy’s provocation, lest their adversaries should misdeem, lest they should say: Our hand is exalted, and not the LORD hath wrought all this.’
28 For they are a nation void of counsel, and there is no understanding in them.
29 If they were wise, they would understand this, they would discern their latter end.
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Next
“Isaiah 10:
21 A remnant shall return, even the remnant of Jacob, unto God the Mighty.
22 For though thy people, O Israel, be as the sand of the sea, only a remnant of them shall return; an extermination is determined, overflowing with righteousness.
23 For an extermination wholly determined shall the Lord, the GOD of hosts, make in the midst of all the earth.”
“[Recently I learned that remnant could be equal to ONE; as in Exodus 32:10 Now therefore let Me alone, that My wrath may wax hot against them, and that I may consume them; and I will make of thee a great nation.’],
We did not learn from the 1930’s and 40’s so here we are again. Every generation or two the punishment happens again, only worse than the last time(in accordance with Leviticus 26.)
We have always liked what man says verses what our GOD has said. This is not a joke and never has it been, Korah was wrong, we are not equal to MOSES.
We could have learned this 3500 years ago or at any point since, To Love the LORD OUR GOD with all our heart, all of our soul, all of our being; means to keep HIS WORD even if you do not understand why.
(Exodus 19:8 And all the people answered together, and said: ‘All that the LORD hath spoken we will do.’)
I personally do not want the punishment, nor do I want anyone else to receive the punishment; so for myself I am keeping all of the TORAH as Written By The Hand of MOSES. That and the warnings of the Prophets. These are what I write about. Hoping that I maybe a LIGHT unto HIS People and the world. That any person may consider their actions and deeds and seek the GOD Of Abraham, GOD Of Isaac, GOD Of Jacob, do as HE said to receive the GOOD and not the BAD.
Do what you want, for it is YOUR SOUL that will receive what its earns from the Creator of the Heavens and the Earth according to HIS WORD. May you enjoy Shalom today.
The Other side of the conversation is removed because I will not expose them to ridicule.
My response to The Other side:
Hillel? My statement is: The TORAH I read tells me 1) Who IS GOD; 2) What HE wants of HIS children; 3) How I am to act toward those near me; 4) How I am to act toward those not near me; 5) That I am responsible to protect everyone from what I do; There is no commentary in the TORAH, there is too much to teach so that no word can be wasted. Hillel was wrong or maybe it is those that created and tell the story are wrong!
The Other side of the conversation is removed because I will not expose them to ridicule.
My response to The Other side: (stated that they were trained as a Rabbi.)
I am sorry to hear that, but it was already known based on what you say. Your text is laced with Rabbinic teachings, stories and fantasies(midrash).
They (sagas and rabbis) for 2300 years have been a strong influence on the Jews. So what has happened to the Jewish people during that time? Did we become a Nation of Priest that All of the Nations come to, to learn about our GOD that Blesses US so MUCH they afraid to hurt your feelings?
Or has the sagas and rabbis placed themselves over the Writings of Moses like Korah?. . . . Yes they did!
If for 2300 years we have been getting all of the punishments found in Leviticus 26 and the End of Deuteronomy, when do you consider we need to return to the Writings of Moses?
References used: “Leviticus 26 {The cause of the pain}: 14 But if ye will not hearken unto Me, and will not do all these commandments; 15 and if ye shall reject My statutes, and if your soul abhor Mine ordinances, so that ye will not do all My commandments, but break My covenant;”
Next Deuteronomy {the Cause} 28:15 But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all His commandments and His statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee.
{Next The Return to the Laws of Moses} Malachi 3:22 Remember ye the law of Moses My servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, even statutes and ordinances. —
The Other side:. . . .
My response to The Other side:
Oral Law is Older?? Know this, there were no sagas and no rabbis 2400 years ago. They were not there 3291 years ago with Moses, nor with Aaron, except in their fantasies.
NO place in the whole Tanakh does the ALMIGHTY declare HIS anger for anything outside of the Writings Of Moses more specifically HIS COVENANTS which were written.
There is only ONE GOD, and HE does not share HIS glory with any.
One GOD
“Deuteronomy 32:
26 I thought I would make an end of them, I would make their memory cease from among men;
27 Were it not that I dreaded the enemy’s provocation, lest their adversaries should misdeem, lest they should say: Our hand is exalted, and not the LORD hath wrought all this.’ . . .
39 See now that I, even I, am He, and there is no god with Me; I kill, and I make alive; I have wounded, and I heal; and there is none that can deliver out of My hand.
40 For I lift up My hand to heaven, and say: As I live for ever,”
“Isaiah 42:
8 I am the LORD, that is My name; and My glory will I not give to another, neither My praise to graven images.
HIS TEST:
9 Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare; before they spring forth I tell you of them.”
Another witness:
HIS TEST:
“Isaiah 48:
3 I have declared the former things from of old; yea, they went forth out of My mouth, and I announced them; suddenly I did them, and they came to pass.
4 Because I knew that thou art obstinate, and thy neck is an iron sinew, and thy brow brass;
5 Therefore I have declared it to thee from of old; before it came to pass I announced it to thee; lest thou shouldest say: ‘Mine idol hath done them, and my graven image, and my molten image, hath commanded them.’”
All of Isaiah 48, is HIS reasoning with us on that:
“Isaiah 48:
12 Hearken unto Me, O Jacob, and Israel My called: I am He; I am the first, I also am the last.
13 Yea, My hand hath laid the foundation of the earth, and My right hand hath spread out the heavens; when I call unto them, they stand up together.” . . . .
How can doing what the Living GOD OF ISRAEL continually warns and complains, about get anything but HIS RAGE and your participation in the Fulfillment of the LAST DAY?
I can show you were all of this is WRITTEN in the Five Books of Moses and the Tanakh, if you want to know.
Every reference I have used, I recommend reading the whole chapter, to get the context of the section referenced. If you like, I would and do read the chapter before and after.
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Shalom,
Yaakov