Published: 05 APR 2011
This is from a forum in Israel that I input on. It would not be right for me to give the other side text, as I do not have rights to it.
But His was in reference to my next post.
Here is my reply.
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By your opening line, I take it that you do not believe G-D. Or that you have reason to believe that HE Does not mean what has been spoken in HIS Name. Please enlighten me as regards your evidence for such statements that is sounds to Xtian: “Not one word will go unfulfilled before the Last DAY.”
Do you not read Isaiah 40:5 And the glory of the LORD shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together; for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.’ Or 40:8 The grass withereth, the flower fadeth; but the word of our God shall stand for ever.’
Or maybe you think it a small thing to challenge the Writings of Moses, Numbers 12:”6 And HE said: ‘Hear now My words: if there be a prophet among you, I the LORD do make Myself known unto him in a vision, I do speak with him in a dream.7) My servant Moses is not so; he is trusted in all My house; 8) with him do I speak mouth to mouth, even manifestly, and not in dark speeches; and the similitude of the LORD doth he behold; wherefore then were ye not afraid to speak against My servant, against Moses?’ 9) And the anger of the LORD was kindled against them; and He departed.”
Or maybe you know the 70 elders hiding in the Temple that G-D shows to Ezekiel, given as One of the reasons for G-D to LEAVE the TEMPLE and destroy it. Ezekiel “8:11 And there stood before them seventy men of the elders of the house of Israel, and in the midst of them stood Jaazaniah the son of Shaphan, every man with his censer in his hand; and a thick cloud of incense went up.”
How about Isaiah 29:”13 And the Lord said: Forasmuch as this people draw near, and with their mouth and with their lips do honour Me, but have removed their heart far from Me, and their fear of Me is a commandment of men learned by rote;”
Maybe Isaiah 48:”1) Hear ye this, O house of Jacob, who are called by the name of Israel, and are come forth out of the fountain of Judah; who swear by the name of the LORD, and make mention of the God of Israel, but not in truth, nor in righteousness. 3) I have declared the former things from of old; yea, they went forth out of My mouth, and I announced them; suddenly I did them, and they came to pass. 5) Therefore I have declared it to thee from of old; before it came to pass I announced it to thee; lest thou shouldest say: ‘Mine idol hath done them, and my graven image, and my molten image, hath commanded them.’ 6) Thou hast heard, see, all this; and ye, will ye not declare it? I have announced unto thee new things from this time, even hidden things, which thou hast not known. 7) They are created now, and not from of old, and before this day thou heardest them not; lest thou shouldest say: ‘Behold, I knew them.’ 8) Yea, thou heardest not; yea, thou knewest not; yea, from of old thine ear was not opened; for I knew that thou wouldest deal very treacherously, and wast called a transgressor from the womb. 18) Oh that thou wouldest hearken to My commandments! then would thy peace be as a river, and thy righteousness as the waves of the sea; 19 Thy seed also would be as the sand, and the offspring of thy body like the grains thereof; his name would not be cut off nor destroyed from before Me. …..”
Maybe this is too hard to understand. How about the Last Prophet Malachi.
Malachi 3:4) Then shall the offering of Judah and Jerusalem be pleasant unto the LORD, as in the days of old, and as in ancient years. 5) And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers; and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not Me, saith the LORD of hosts. 6) For I the LORD change not; and ye, O sons of Jacob, are not consumed. 7) From the days of your fathers ye have turned aside from Mine ordinances, and have not kept them. Return unto Me, and I will return unto you, saith the LORD of hosts. But ye say: ‘Wherein shall we return?’ 22) Remember ye the law of Moses My servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, even statutes and ordinances.
What did Moses get on Mt. Horeb? Exodus 24:4 And Moses wrote all the words of the LORD, and rose up early in the morning, and builded an altar under the mount, and twelve pillars, according to the twelve tribes of Israel.
7) And he(Moses) took the book of the covenant, and read in the hearing of the people; and they said: ‘All that the LORD hath spoken will we do, and obey.’ –A written Contract with G-D and Israel
Maybe that will get the point through, maybe not. —Moving on.
Your fourth paragraph(from Exodus 11) concerns the statements and advice of Jethro, Moses’s Father in-law, not G-D. And this advice is to arrange the people in to military order. The 70 Elders are later, also they fail even the first time of test, when they did not support G-D and the LAW that was already accepted by the people in Exodus 19:8 And all the people answered together, and said: ‘All that the LORD hath spoken we will do.’ And Moses reported the words of the people unto the LORD., then twice in Exodus 24, first in 3) And Moses came and told the people all the words of the LORD, and all the ordinances; and all the people answered with one voice, and said: ‘All the words which the LORD hath spoken will we do.’ 4) And Moses wrote all the words of the LORD, and rose up early in the morning, and builded an altar under the mount, and twelve pillars, according to the twelve tribes of Israel. Then again in 7) And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the hearing of the people; and they said: ‘All that the LORD hath spoken will we do, and obey.’
Law One Exodus 20:2) I am the LORD thy God, who brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt have no other gods before Me.
Law Two Exodus 20:3) Thou shalt not make unto thee a graven image, nor any manner of likeness, of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 4) thou shalt not bow down unto them, nor serve them; for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate Me;
What was G-D’s complaint to Moses? Exodus 32:7 And the LORD spoke unto Moses: ‘Go, get thee down; for thy people, that thou broughtest up out of the land of Egypt, have dealt corruptly; 8) they have turned aside quickly out of the way which I commanded them; they have made them a molten calf, and have worshipped it, and have sacrificed unto it, and said: This is thy god, O Israel, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt.’ –Where were the 70 then? How about the ones Jethro suggested?
33) And the LORD said unto Moses: ‘Whosoever hath sinned against Me, him will I blot out of My book.
I know that this is long, but if I just give the references you might look them up, but there are others who will read this and they need to know. This is not all of the evidence that G-D commanded Moses and no other, even to the point of having Moses write it down. The references in the Tanach(Old Testament) are many for the case of Moses’ Writings and the importance of them to us.
Shalom